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integrajosh wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:31 pm
I'll get you one right now, just have to turn the light off. So when should I continue with the bloom nutes you think? I'm on day 30 of flower, was about to cut the veg nutes anyways since the bloom nutes and calmag contain a bit of nitrogen still
Hobbit wrote: its very common problem mate. I found when using store bought nutrients, 1 feed followed by 2 plain wter was fine. Give it a1ml calmag in every water for a wek mate. leave your veg nutes out. When things run back on track cut the calmag to 0.5 in every feed and water. I find an EC pen is a handy tool mate, will help you find the sweet spot, you will find it this run mate. Got a whole plant shot??
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Mate ida started the bloom nutes already. Most people know that plants use more P,K, cal,S. What most dont realize is that flower formation begins way before you can see flowers. We flipped our scrog 2 days ago, we be starting PK tomorrow. Same deal mate wait a week for that plant to balance back out and go in with bloom nutes followed by 2 waters with calmag. Try not to think about it like coco or you will come unstuck. soil has a much higher CEC than coco.
Sry man should have mentioned I've been using bloom nutes since I switched the light schedule. Here's the nutrient chart I've been following. Only using the grow big, tiger bloom and big bloom. Started at 1/4 strength, went to half and last watering was full strength

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Not sure my friend, I'm guessing they do it to help retain moisture without using peat moss or something else
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Oioi Josh adding coco to your soil doesnt effect ph mate, its still soil and will behave like soil. Remember soil is a mixture of organic material. Dont feed any more N for a while, 1ml ltr of calmag every feed mate. Give the N a break for a week. Remember calcium is not a mobile nutrient so you are gunna see the worst effected to get a bit worse bro. Its also gunna be a bit slower to correct in soil. Try to avoid flushing soil if ya can mate, upsets things.
Hello mate. I haven't said that coco changes the pH of soil. What I said is that soil is auto buffering the pH and feering what u Feeding gives the coco high pH and roots are still there trying to feed but feer is not available. Don't know why people mix soil with coco amd make life difficult, just use perlite imo.
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Bulls wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:57 pm
Hobbit wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:18 pm
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:18 pm
I'd say at least 3/4 soil

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Oioi Josh adding coco to your soil doesnt effect ph mate, its still soil and will behave like soil. Remember soil is a mixture of organic material. Dont feed any more N for a while, 1ml ltr of calmag every feed mate. Give the N a break for a week. Remember calcium is not a mobile nutrient so you are gunna see the worst effected to get a bit worse bro. Its also gunna be a bit slower to correct in soil. Try to avoid flushing soil if ya can mate, upsets things.
Hello mate. I haven't said that coco changes the pH of soil. What I said is that soil is auto buffering the pH and feering what u Feeding gives the coco high pH and roots are still there trying to feed but feer is not available. Don't know why people mix soil with coco amd make life difficult, just use perlite imo.
Gday Bulls, it doesnt quite work like that mate. Coco for starters is a singular term. Soil is a collective term. If you look at it under a microscope ,soil contains all sorts of organic and mineral compounds all with different CEC values. These particles bond together to become aggregates. When coco is mixed in soil, its CEC is added and it just becomes a part of the soil make up. It effects nothing to do with a plant trying to uptake nutrients. Technically you could grow organically in pure coco as it does have a CEC, the difficulty would only come from how quick it dries. Because yo would have to water so often with coco you would be washing your organic nutrients out quicker than the micro biology could process them for plant uptake. The reason we use coco and not perlite mate is because they are toatally different media. Coco has an excellent micro/macro pore ratio.
Check this out mate.
https://www.maximumyield.com/buffering- ... dia/2/1318

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integrajosh wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:00 am
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integrajosh wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:31 pm
I'll get you one right now, just have to turn the light off. So when should I continue with the bloom nutes you think? I'm on day 30 of flower, was about to cut the veg nutes anyways since the bloom nutes and calmag contain a bit of nitrogen still

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Mate ida started the bloom nutes already. Most people know that plants use more P,K, cal,S. What most dont realize is that flower formation begins way before you can see flowers. We flipped our scrog 2 days ago, we be starting PK tomorrow. Same deal mate wait a week for that plant to balance back out and go in with bloom nutes followed by 2 waters with calmag. Try not to think about it like coco or you will come unstuck. soil has a much higher CEC than coco.
Sry man should have mentioned I've been using bloom nutes since I switched the light schedule. Here's the nutrient chart I've been following. Only using the grow big, tiger bloom and big bloom. Started at 1/4 strength, went to half and last watering was full strength

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Mate i wouldnt use the chart, watch your plant mate the chart will bring you unstuck. There are way to many variables in a soil mix to be able to use a chart, if ya get me.

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I got you. In your oppinion what ec should I mix up with the bloom/calmag?
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Hobbit wrote: Mate ida started the bloom nutes already. Most people know that plants use more P,K, cal,S. What most dont realize is that flower formation begins way before you can see flowers. We flipped our scrog 2 days ago, we be starting PK tomorrow. Same deal mate wait a week for that plant to balance back out and go in with bloom nutes followed by 2 waters with calmag. Try not to think about it like coco or you will come unstuck. soil has a much higher CEC than coco.
Sry man should have mentioned I've been using bloom nutes since I switched the light schedule. Here's the nutrient chart I've been following. Only using the grow big, tiger bloom and big bloom. Started at 1/4 strength, went to half and last watering was full strength

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Mate i wouldnt use the chart, watch your plant mate the chart will bring you unstuck. There are way to many variables in a soil mix to be able to use a chart, if ya get me.
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integrajosh wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:31 pm
I got you. In your oppinion what ec should I mix up with the bloom/calmag?
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integrajosh wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:00 am
Sry man should have mentioned I've been using bloom nutes since I switched the light schedule. Here's the nutrient chart I've been following. Only using the grow big, tiger bloom and big bloom. Started at 1/4 strength, went to half and last watering was full strength

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Mate i wouldnt use the chart, watch your plant mate the chart will bring you unstuck. There are way to many variables in a soil mix to be able to use a chart, if ya get me.
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So at a guess im gunna say that a full strength feed of your bloom will be 1.8 -2 ec. Thats where most shop bought nutes seem to be, although I only have experience with one brand of nutrients specifically designed for weed general nutrients are around this ec value. Mix some up and test it. This will give you a better idea of perametres. You can leave the calmag outta the feed and just use on watering days. 1ml ltr till the drama is sorted, then try back it down to 0.5 ml ltr see how ya go. Is your feed two part eg veg and bloom mixed.

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integrajosh wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 5:13 pm
I've been ph'ing from 6.8-6.3 like the company recommends. Think I'll just give a descent flush tonight and see what happens afterwards
There's a possibility I'm getting nute burn I'd think. I've never had issues with this soil but I've also never fed at full strength
Bulls wrote:Hard that one mate. It's not much coco in there but will still inbalance the pH of the soil. You see two different mediums there and both require different pH. Not sure what be the best to do really. One option is to flush the soil completely until it becomes an inert medium .. or just carry on as it is, having the odd pH issue here and there.
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Just clocked this post mate. Dont ph anything, let your microbes sort that out. A massive percentage of plants I seen in infirmary are phed.

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I know nothing about soil but lots of people especially from US are adjusting the Ph and their problems start. Not sure why as as far as I know microbes in dirt do that for you.

Thank you for making it clear Hobbit. Ubser you got so much more knowledge than I do regarding all that . I though it worked completely different way.

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integrajosh wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:36 pm
As you can see a few of the fans are a bit yellow and crispy on the edges and tips

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dont feed them dfuk all for the next week,they close on to becoming toxified tbh ewe mite need to leach them !!! water only next few water only bach imo :Stoned:

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Ok no problem, I'll leave the ph for hydroponics. Lol

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