Help me please!

[Spartangrown]

I appreciate everyone’s opinion mate it’s nice to know everyone’s thought on this. I mixed up a 30L flexi tank with 40ml A 40mlB 15ml silicon and 60ml rhizotonic. I leave it in the flexi tank with a air stone in and water as needed. I think I may have watered a little too much as each day I went to check on them the coco was still moist but I gave a feed anyway. I looked on the internet and seen that light burn can you leave with purple stems and that’s what mine are doing at the moment. My next feed will be jus A&B maybe a bit of rhizo. Thanks for taking the time to help mate I appreciate it

This small paragraph helps almost more that the pictures. Are you using a cal mg product at all? I am thinking the spots are a very early calcium (possibly mag) and the purple stems can also be caused by mag deficiency. If you are NOT using a calmg , you can try to address mag side of things with some epsom salt, mixed into your res at a teaspoon per US gallon (like almost 4 liters). If you are in coco, it's a good idea to have a cal mag bottle around, and if using distilled or RO water, cal mag should likely be fed every time.

Just to be clear, don't do both of those options, do 1 of them. Cal mag would be likely the best option, with the epsom salt #2

Keep us updated, this is a tough one to figure out!

#growerslove

[seymore_budz]

Very interesting information Spartan! There are a few photos in the original post. The sporadic damage makes me still think it's spraying or bugs.

How does transport work if you don't mind me asking? I've read several different things online this morning? I know nonylphenol ethoxylates will break down the waxy cuticle but that's not unique to this product and I think most non-ionic wetting agents will do the same? The other two things I've read is transport aids the transportation into the mesophyll layer but the mode of action is unclear and the final thing was it opens up stomata to improve uptake.

I'm just skeptical of anything in the hydroponics market that release these products, claiming big things but with no actual explanation around how it works. When I read big claims like this I immediately default to skepticism :)

https://www.facebook.com/OpticFoliar/vi ... 322315234/

The above link is the best info I could find on the product as far as what is actually in it, obviously they aren't really giving us all the secrets, but you can start connecting some dots. For example, they include amino acids, which helps the plants uptake calcium, which helps build stronger plants and helps ward off some PM. So they don't get right out and say how, but they just say, helps with PM. In the video, they allude to some "pathway" that is exploited to get absorption into the mesophyll layer.

It is good to be skeptical. I just got a free sample, used it, and liked it.

Also, I wanted to point out that the overgrow product that was sprayed is a few products all in one, it includes Transport, Rev, and Watts. Far cheaper if you buy the 3 concentrates separately and mix yourself, over buying the ready to use overgrow.

#growerslove

Thanks Spartangrows. I couldn't find anything available commercially that claims the same so I'm at a loss. I do know that the damage comes from water droplets magnifying the light and causing burns. A wetting agent would allow the water to lay flat on the leaf due to the wetting agent doing it's thing and decreasing the surface tension. Would this be enough to stop the burn? I'm not sure but what I do know is Transport ain't making the plants take in the water. I'm still very skeptical :)

My guess is they using kinetin to relax the plant and open the stomata but I'm guessing. But... how good is foliar feeding right! I love foliar feeding :)

[seymore_budz]

I appreciate everyone’s opinion mate it’s nice to know everyone’s thought on this. I mixed up a 30L flexi tank with 40ml A 40mlB 15ml silicon and 60ml rhizotonic. I leave it in the flexi tank with a air stone in and water as needed. I think I may have watered a little too much as each day I went to check on them the coco was still moist but I gave a feed anyway. I looked on the internet and seen that light burn can you leave with purple stems and that’s what mine are doing at the moment. My next feed will be jus A&B maybe a bit of rhizo. Thanks for taking the time to help mate I appreciate it

This small paragraph helps almost more that the pictures. Are you using a cal mg product at all? I am thinking the spots are a very early calcium (possibly mag) and the purple stems can also be caused by mag deficiency. If you are NOT using a calmg , you can try to address mag side of things with some epsom salt, mixed into your res at a teaspoon per US gallon (like almost 4 liters). If you are in coco, it's a good idea to have a cal mag bottle around, and if using distilled or RO water, cal mag should likely be fed every time.

Just to be clear, don't do both of those options, do 1 of them. Cal mag would be likely the best option, with the epsom salt #2

Keep us updated, this is a tough one to figure out!

#growerslove

I'm going to disagree Spartangrown. If it was Calcium you would see some deformed leaves and twisting at the top due to it being immobile and Mg damage normally starts at the tip of the leaf and work it's way back into the leaf as it moves magnesium from the older growth into the tips. You normally see this accompanied by potassium deficiency as potassium uptake is also affected by the lack of Ca. This damage is at the back of the leaf and sporadic. There is something else it could be though IMO and that's a virus.

[Gward20]

I appreciate everyone’s opinion mate it’s nice to know everyone’s thought on this. I mixed up a 30L flexi tank with 40ml A 40mlB 15ml silicon and 60ml rhizotonic. I leave it in the flexi tank with a air stone in and water as needed. I think I may have watered a little too much as each day I went to check on them the coco was still moist but I gave a feed anyway. I looked on the internet and seen that light burn can you leave with purple stems and that’s what mine are doing at the moment. My next feed will be jus A&B maybe a bit of rhizo. Thanks for taking the time to help mate I appreciate it

This small paragraph helps almost more that the pictures. Are you using a cal mg product at all? I am thinking the spots are a very early calcium (possibly mag) and the purple stems can also be caused by mag deficiency. If you are NOT using a calmg , you can try to address mag side of things with some epsom salt, mixed into your res at a teaspoon per US gallon (like almost 4 liters). If you are in coco, it's a good idea to have a cal mag bottle around, and if using distilled or RO water, cal mag should likely be fed every time.

Just to be clear, don't do both of those options, do 1 of them. Cal mag would be likely the best option, with the epsom salt #2

Keep us updated, this is a tough one to figure out!

#growerslove

I'm going to disagree Spartangrown. If it was Calcium you would see some deformed leaves and twisting at the top due to it being immobile and Mg damage normally starts at the tip of the leaf and work it's way back into the leaf as it moves magnesium from the older growth into the tips. You normally see this accompanied by potassium deficiency as potassium uptake is also affected by the lack of Ca. This damage is at the back of the leaf and sporadic. There is something else it could be though IMO and that's a virus.

Is their any chance of fixing it if it’s a virus ? Never heard of that In a plant before

[seymore_budz]

This small paragraph helps almost more that the pictures. Are you using a cal mg product at all? I am thinking the spots are a very early calcium (possibly mag) and the purple stems can also be caused by mag deficiency. If you are NOT using a calmg , you can try to address mag side of things with some epsom salt, mixed into your res at a teaspoon per US gallon (like almost 4 liters). If you are in coco, it's a good idea to have a cal mag bottle around, and if using distilled or RO water, cal mag should likely be fed every time.

Just to be clear, don't do both of those options, do 1 of them. Cal mag would be likely the best option, with the epsom salt #2

Keep us updated, this is a tough one to figure out!

#growerslove

I'm going to disagree Spartangrown. If it was Calcium you would see some deformed leaves and twisting at the top due to it being immobile and Mg damage normally starts at the tip of the leaf and work it's way back into the leaf as it moves magnesium from the older growth into the tips. You normally see this accompanied by potassium deficiency as potassium uptake is also affected by the lack of Ca. This damage is at the back of the leaf and sporadic. There is something else it could be though IMO and that's a virus.

Is their any chance of fixing it if it’s a virus ? Never heard of that In a plant before

If it's a virus, unfortunately not. But don't do anything drastic as it may not be. I would stop the spray and see what happens. If things progress further you could try calmag or epsom salts. If it is a deficiency, then it will be Mg not Ca but plants will gobble up calcium in large quantities so it's harder to push them over the edge. One thing to watch with CalMag and using sprays and chelated salts is you can overdose the plants easily too. I have 0 idea what's in overgrown other than what Optic Foliar tell you so I can't say anymore than that but I recently had a N issue where I was spraying with a blend of ground nettles and ended up pushing N over the top.

I still think it's foliar :)

[Gward20]

Thanks gg. I will just stick to feeding every other day for now and just see what’s going on, luckily I have 4 cutting getting rooted in my other tent

[seymore_budz]

One more thing, what's the PH like? And I wouldn't bother with the silicon. In my experience, it causes more problems than good. It also slows transpiration in Cannabis so I'm told. Cannabis is an aggressive plant and enjoy drinking water in optimum conditions. It also raises the PH and can react with other ions in your resoviour, locking them out. The more acidic your tank is, the more likely there will be a reaction. This is why manufacturers strongly advice you don't adjust PH before adding potassium silicate. This could also maybe be the root cause of your issues. I'm not going to say stop using it but I will say, after using it myself, I won't be using it again regularly and will only add it in very small quantities if maybe I have some plants with weak stems.

[Gward20]

Silicon may well be the cause of the problem. I mixed the silicon first then waited ten minutes. After that I mixed the rhizo, A & B and my mix went cloudy until I ph’d it to 5.7. I was told that when the nutrient mix goes cloudy then a chemical reaction has happened and to dump the mix but after I ph’d it and it went clear I thought it would be fine. That may be the problem. Do you think I should flush ?

[seymore_budz]

Silicon may well be the cause of the problem. I mixed the silicon first then waited ten minutes. After that I mixed the rhizo, A & B and my mix went cloudy until I ph’d it to 5.7. I was told that when the nutrient mix goes cloudy then a chemical reaction has happened and to dump the mix but after I ph’d it and it went clear I thought it would be fine. That may be the problem. Do you think I should flush ?

Indeed that could be the issue. Now you going to make me eat humble pie ain't you!! God damit!!

That cloud was all the stuff the plant needs locking out and falling to the bottom of the tank. The plant cannot use this and you end up with issues.

I'm still on the fence but now you've said that you saw clouds, it's more likely to be a nutrient issue than Optic Foliar.

[Gward20]

Haha I forgot to mention that at the beginning sorry. So do you think it is a deficiency or a lock out ?