First time breeding

[seymore_budz]

Massive subject. So if you use an ethelene inhibitor and germinate those seeds of the same plant they're considered "S1". I'm really dulling this all down so don't shoot me but S1 will be very unstable. But you can also unlock every phenotype that plant has to offer as well as use that stock to backcross and compliment the desired attributes so they're a great tool in a breeders pocket. If you wanted to create a stable strain that's a whole new ballgame. You need a lot of space, document all the things and use things like punnett squares to predect outcomes. On top of that we're now I'm 2020 so we now have a shit load of new tricks to help us.

[KD]

Massive subject. So if you use an ethelene inhibitor and germinate those seeds of the same plant they're considered "S1". I'm really dulling this all down so don't shoot me but S1 will be very unstable. But you can also unlock every phenotype that plant has to offer as well as use that stock to backcross and compliment the desired attributes so they're a great tool in a breeders pocket. If you wanted to create a stable strain that's a whole new ballgame. You need a lot of space, document all the things and use things like punnett squares to predect outcomes. On top of that we're now I'm 2020 so we now have a shit load of new tricks to help us.

That's actually massively helpful.

So if I understand this correctly.....

If I self pollinate a plant, the seeds from that plant will show all kinds of phenotypes contained within the genetic code of the original plant. Plus they'll all be feminized. So I can grow them out and have something slightly different each time.....

Or I can select a mother or two and back cross to the original parent to try to stabilise the traits I want using the square things you mentioned?

How does one know what's a recessive trait and what's a dominant trait?

How would the process of stabilisation differ using male and female plants?

You can do the same plant or others.

Would the progeny from a self pollinated plant not be all funky because its inbred though?

it all depends upon the plant you were selfing. But from what I understand, you would take those seeds, make your selections and breed from there. It really all depends on the stability of the S1 generation. I haven't actually slewed anything myself but there will be a time in the future, so I try and learn what I can.

Same.

[seymore_budz]

Massive subject. So if you use an ethelene inhibitor and germinate those seeds of the same plant they're considered "S1". I'm really dulling this all down so don't shoot me but S1 will be very unstable. But you can also unlock every phenotype that plant has to offer as well as use that stock to backcross and compliment the desired attributes so they're a great tool in a breeders pocket. If you wanted to create a stable strain that's a whole new ballgame. You need a lot of space, document all the things and use things like punnett squares to predect outcomes. On top of that we're now I'm 2020 so we now have a shit load of new tricks to help us.

That's actually massively helpful.

So if I understand this correctly.....

If I self pollinate a plant, the seeds from that plant will show all kinds of phenotypes contained within the genetic code of the original plant. Plus they'll all be feminized. So I can grow them out and have something slightly different each time.....

Or I can select a mother or two and back cross to the original parent to try to stabilise the traits I want using the square things you mentioned?

How does one know what's a recessive trait and what's a dominant trait?

How would the process of stabilisation differ using male and female plants?

Would the progeny from a self pollinated plant not be all funky because its inbred though?

it all depends upon the plant you were selfing. But from what I understand, you would take those seeds, make your selections and breed from there. It really all depends on the stability of the S1 generation. I haven't actually slewed anything myself but there will be a time in the future, so I try and learn what I can.

Same.

Loosely yes, it's not as straight forward as that though :) I only know a little and that's not really my jive. You would probably self pollinate them a few times to figure out what was dominant and what was recessive as well as narrow down what you're looking for. Then you'd either look for a male with similar origin that also has desirable traits and work that some more untill you're happy.

If you just wanted feminised seeds you could also use pollen from another female but you'd want to introduce some pollen from something else to stabilise.

Like I said it's a deep subject and there are many ways to achieve results. Nowa days they can tag genes and follow them through generations and make some sense of it. Once people collate enough data it will make the process much more accurate and stable. You can have two plants that look and smell desirable but be completely different when used to breed.

I have not done that justice. Someone that really understand breeding will not reading this :)

[KD]

Massive subject. So if you use an ethelene inhibitor and germinate those seeds of the same plant they're considered "S1". I'm really dulling this all down so don't shoot me but S1 will be very unstable. But you can also unlock every phenotype that plant has to offer as well as use that stock to backcross and compliment the desired attributes so they're a great tool in a breeders pocket. If you wanted to create a stable strain that's a whole new ballgame. You need a lot of space, document all the things and use things like punnett squares to predect outcomes. On top of that we're now I'm 2020 so we now have a shit load of new tricks to help us.

That's actually massively helpful.

So if I understand this correctly.....

If I self pollinate a plant, the seeds from that plant will show all kinds of phenotypes contained within the genetic code of the original plant. Plus they'll all be feminized. So I can grow them out and have something slightly different each time.....

Or I can select a mother or two and back cross to the original parent to try to stabilise the traits I want using the square things you mentioned?

How does one know what's a recessive trait and what's a dominant trait?

How would the process of stabilisation differ using male and female plants?

it all depends upon the plant you were selfing. But from what I understand, you would take those seeds, make your selections and breed from there. It really all depends on the stability of the S1 generation. I haven't actually slewed anything myself but there will be a time in the future, so I try and learn what I can.

Same.

Loosely yes, it's not as straight forward as that though :) I only know a little and that's not really my jive. You would probably self pollinate them a few times to figure out what was dominant and what was recessive as well as narrow down what you're looking for. Then you'd either look for a male with similar origin that also has desirable traits and work that some more untill you're happy.

If you just wanted feminised seeds you could also use pollen from another female but you'd want to introduce some pollen from something else to stabilise.

Like I said it's a deep subject and there are many ways to achieve results. Nowa days they can tag genes and follow them through generations and make some sense of it. Once people collate enough data it will make the process much more accurate and stable. You can have two plants that look and smell desirable but be completely different when used to breed.

I have not done that justice. Someone that really understand breeding will not reading this :)

When you say "self pollinate them a few times" is that what you need a lot of room for?

I think I'm starting to remember why I havent tried this yet. No room for selection

[seymore_budz]

That's actually massively helpful.

So if I understand this correctly.....

If I self pollinate a plant, the seeds from that plant will show all kinds of phenotypes contained within the genetic code of the original plant. Plus they'll all be feminized. So I can grow them out and have something slightly different each time.....

Or I can select a mother or two and back cross to the original parent to try to stabilise the traits I want using the square things you mentioned?

How does one know what's a recessive trait and what's a dominant trait?

How would the process of stabilisation differ using male and female plants?



Same.

Loosely yes, it's not as straight forward as that though :) I only know a little and that's not really my jive. You would probably self pollinate them a few times to figure out what was dominant and what was recessive as well as narrow down what you're looking for. Then you'd either look for a male with similar origin that also has desirable traits and work that some more untill you're happy.

If you just wanted feminised seeds you could also use pollen from another female but you'd want to introduce some pollen from something else to stabilise.

Like I said it's a deep subject and there are many ways to achieve results. Nowa days they can tag genes and follow them through generations and make some sense of it. Once people collate enough data it will make the process much more accurate and stable. You can have two plants that look and smell desirable but be completely different when used to breed.

I have not done that justice. Someone that really understand breeding will not reading this :)

When you say "self pollinate them a few times" is that what you need a lot of room for?

I think I'm starting to remember why I havent tried this yet. No room for selection

So you'd spray up the plants and harvest seeds for a few generations and looking for plants that match your remit. Then work those. Yea man to produce a strain properly you need to grow out hundreds of plants IMO. But it's a lottery. You may throw some pollen and get real lucky :)

I'm going to do some pollen chucking next year. Watch out for that diary.

[KD]

Loosely yes, it's not as straight forward as that though :) I only know a little and that's not really my jive. You would probably self pollinate them a few times to figure out what was dominant and what was recessive as well as narrow down what you're looking for. Then you'd either look for a male with similar origin that also has desirable traits and work that some more untill you're happy.

If you just wanted feminised seeds you could also use pollen from another female but you'd want to introduce some pollen from something else to stabilise.

Like I said it's a deep subject and there are many ways to achieve results. Nowa days they can tag genes and follow them through generations and make some sense of it. Once people collate enough data it will make the process much more accurate and stable. You can have two plants that look and smell desirable but be completely different when used to breed.

I have not done that justice. Someone that really understand breeding will not reading this :)

When you say "self pollinate them a few times" is that what you need a lot of room for?

I think I'm starting to remember why I havent tried this yet. No room for selection

So you'd spray up the plants and harvest seeds for a few generations and looking for plants that match your remit. Then work those. Yea man to produce a strain properly you need to grow out hundreds of plants IMO. But it's a lottery. You may throw some pollen and get real lucky :)

I'm going to do some pollen chucking next year. Watch out for that diary.

I quite like having something different growing each grow but I dont want to end up wasting time and money on something that could end up absolute garbage. I'll give the breeding a swerve.

Have you seen Sensi Seeds do test seeds? I think they're fresh lines or S1s for people to hunt with. I think.... I dont know. Gonna go find out though.

[KD]

Google Sensi Seeds Research

Glad I did that, I want some of these now hahaha

https://sensiseeds.com/en/research/blac ... -feminized

[seymore_budz]

When you say "self pollinate them a few times" is that what you need a lot of room for?

I think I'm starting to remember why I havent tried this yet. No room for selection

So you'd spray up the plants and harvest seeds for a few generations and looking for plants that match your remit. Then work those. Yea man to produce a strain properly you need to grow out hundreds of plants IMO. But it's a lottery. You may throw some pollen and get real lucky :)

I'm going to do some pollen chucking next year. Watch out for that diary.

I quite like having something different growing each grow but I dont want to end up wasting time and money on something that could end up absolute garbage. I'll give the breeding a swerve.

Have you seen Sensi Seeds do test seeds? I think they're fresh lines or S1s for people to hunt with. I think.... I dont know. Gonna go find out though.

Yea man I've seen their white label lines. I've heard good things but I'm not sure what their model is because they don't require you give them feedback. My guess is it's their leftovers from their own research. A lottery and yes probably 70-80% of the legwork has been done..

Breeders are actually getting better although many scammers exist too. My rules are price means nothing as does marketing. The loudest breeders are normally the junk peddlers

I feel like I've pushed you away from walking the path though. Don't be discouraged! It's fun and there's nothing better than smoking your own strain! I've had fun over the years dropping beans and cuts around towns and giving them silly names and they make their way back to me years later :)

[KD]

So you'd spray up the plants and harvest seeds for a few generations and looking for plants that match your remit. Then work those. Yea man to produce a strain properly you need to grow out hundreds of plants IMO. But it's a lottery. You may throw some pollen and get real lucky :)

I'm going to do some pollen chucking next year. Watch out for that diary.

I quite like having something different growing each grow but I dont want to end up wasting time and money on something that could end up absolute garbage. I'll give the breeding a swerve.

Have you seen Sensi Seeds do test seeds? I think they're fresh lines or S1s for people to hunt with. I think.... I dont know. Gonna go find out though.

Yea man I've seen their white label lines. I've heard good things but I'm not sure what their model is because they don't require you give them feedback. My guess is it's their leftovers from their own research. A lottery and yes probably 70-80% of the legwork has been done..

Breeders are actually getting better although many scammers exist too. My rules are price means nothing as does marketing. The loudest breeders are normally the junk peddlers

I feel like I've pushed you away from walking the path though. Don't be discouraged! It's fun and there's nothing better than smoking your own strain! I've had fun over the years dropping beans and cuts around towns and giving them silly names and they make their way back to me years later :)

Nah I dont know why they have Sensi seeds and white lable strains but the white lable ones seem to be newer. The originals are Sensi Seeds and they've started Sensi Seeds Research.

At the moment the research seeds have names but at the start of the year they were all #234 #237 #239 etc etc.

[KD]

So you'd spray up the plants and harvest seeds for a few generations and looking for plants that match your remit. Then work those. Yea man to produce a strain properly you need to grow out hundreds of plants IMO. But it's a lottery. You may throw some pollen and get real lucky :)

I'm going to do some pollen chucking next year. Watch out for that diary.

I quite like having something different growing each grow but I dont want to end up wasting time and money on something that could end up absolute garbage. I'll give the breeding a swerve.

Have you seen Sensi Seeds do test seeds? I think they're fresh lines or S1s for people to hunt with. I think.... I dont know. Gonna go find out though.

Yea man I've seen their white label lines. I've heard good things but I'm not sure what their model is because they don't require you give them feedback. My guess is it's their leftovers from their own research. A lottery and yes probably 70-80% of the legwork has been done..

Breeders are actually getting better although many scammers exist too. My rules are price means nothing as does marketing. The loudest breeders are normally the junk peddlers

I feel like I've pushed you away from walking the path though. Don't be discouraged! It's fun and there's nothing better than smoking your own strain! I've had fun over the years dropping beans and cuts around towns and giving them silly names and they make their way back to me years later :)

Oh and you ain't pushed me away, I'm just not looking to grow a fuck ton of plants.

I am however looking to keep some mums going. One of which is Purple Bud which apparently doesnt need cold to bring out the purple and I'm keen on the strawberry kush or the master kush. I might force the kush to pollinate, then use that on the Purple n see what happens. If I find a keeper, I'll keep her lol